In the latest edition of CJR, Eric Umansky tackles the thorny issue of how the press has covered the slow-brewing torture scandal that has riled the American military and intelligence services. While currently a Gordon Grey Fellow at the Columbia School of Journalism, Umansky is late of the Today’s Papers column for Slate, and has written for the New York Times Magazine, the New Republic, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. For updates on his work, you can also check out his blog, EricUmansky.com. CJR Daily spoke with Umansky on Thursday.
Paul McLeary: You begin your piece with the story of Carlotta Gall, the New York Times reporter who broke the story of the mistreatment of prisoners in Afghanistan. She originally submitted her report in February 2003, but her editors at the Times sat on it for a month, before burying it on page A14. You talked to about 40 reporters and editors for the piece — did many of them have similar stories about their editors being reluctant to run stories about torture?
Eric Umansky: It’s not that the paper didn’t want to publish it, it’s that the top editors didn’t want to put it on the front page — and at first they were sort of skeptical of the story, which I think is a reasonable response. The foreign editor, Roger Cohen, whom I spoke with, could have just run it inside on any day but to his credit he kept pushing for it to get better placement, so it kind of created this standoff at the paper.
But were there instances in which stories were buried or reporters were frustrated? Sure. There are other instances where stories about abuse didn’t get much attention in terms of getting a good bounce — they kind of fell into the ether. The seminal one for me was a Washington Post story from December 2002 that basically laid out what we know today — that there are secret prisons where abusive interrogation methods are being allowed, and that people were being shipped to places where they were being tortured. You would think that that would have been a big story — but it wasn’t. It got a little bit of attention, but it really just kind of disappeared.
PM: Why do you think that is? Because we were in the middle of a national debate about invading Iraq?
EU: I think that’s part of it and that’s what Barton Gellman, who was the co-author, along with Dana Priest, of the Washington Post piece, said. He was saying it within the context of, “Hey, reporters who could have dealt with this stuff intelligently had their attention elsewhere because the country was debating the war, and that’s a big deal.” I think there’s some validity to that. I also think that — and this is sort of tautological — but because it wasn’t a big story, it didn’t turn into a big story. First of all, the Post didn’t blare it across the front page, it had this kind of constipated headline — “U.S. Decries Abuse but Defends Interrogations” — and you don’t look at something like that and think, “Oh my God, get my editor on the phone, we gotta do a follow-up!” It’s all about framing it, and sometimes it s not a scandal until someone says it’s a scandal.
PM: You write that the media’s uncertain approach to covering the torture story comes, at least in part, through “long-standing journalistic shortcomings; for example, the tendency to treat both sides of an issue equally, without regard to where the facts lie.”
EU: That Post story, I think, is a remarkable story. I really think that although there’s been a lot of detail filled in since, as a first stab at the topic, they really moved the story along. On the other hand, the story does have administration officials saying, “We don’t torture prisoners,” so in some ways you have realities intersecting. You literally had administration officials boasting in the piece in a series of boastful quotes about abuse, and then you had administration officials deny that prisoners are being mistreated. Well, how can these things both be true at the same time? To some degree it sort of presumes a degree of intelligence on behalf of the reader — and it takes some intelligence on behalf of the reader — to read between the lines to see what is really going on. I think that the real problem is that you’re forced to read between the lines. If you had some administration ass-covering quotes in there but you had a headline that said something like, “Administration Approves Abusive Techniques,” and it was a four-column headline, then some of the administration’s partial denials, it wouldn’t really matter.
PM: Do you see some reluctance on behalf of reporters and editors to really push the story and follow the chain of causality up the ladder to military officers, or possibly even Bush administration officials?
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WHAT "torture" EXACTLY does this "slow-brewing scandal" involve?...
HUH?...
Anybody have a damned clue?...
How about some facts?...
You CJR types are long on innuendo, accusations and suggestions...
But REAL short on facts....
What do you have?... Well let's see....
Ah yes!... You have Dana Priest and her magical (if invisible, so far) East European "torture gulags"...
We have the Post's Pulitzer-worthy in-depth non-description of these secret CIA "torture gulags"....
WHERE, EXACTLY ARE THESE "GULAGS"?...
HUH?...
ANYONE?... ANYONE?....
BUELLER?....
Moving on... In these neblous "gulags" prisoners are insidiously "tortured" by evil CIA operatives like....
WHO, EXACTLY?....
AND HOW?.....
I can see that it's time to change the subject... (that's the liberal way, when facts get in the way of a nice fairy tale)
So let's move on (as Mr. McLeary does) to safer harbors and trot out that old liberal "torture" favorite.... Abu Ghraib!.... Where detainees were "tortured" by a few enlisted idiots (out of more than 200,000 coalition soldiers in Iraq) by being made to (GASP!) wear hoods and pose for sexually explicit pictures...
While the abuse at Abu Ghraib was intolerable... It hardly amounts to what most people consider to be "torture".... Including, ironically enough, among "most people" the PRISONERS THEMSELVES, several of whom just today are quoted as BEGGING THE AMERICANS TO RETURN!...
Think this little journalistic tidbit will make it onto the CJR "torture" radar?.... Somehow I doubt it.... Call me cynical... But I have seen the filtering effect of "professional journalism" with my own eyes...
Don't you think that it's kind of funny, nonetheless, that those poor "tortured" detainees at Abu Ghraib are now, according to the Telegraph, BEGGING for those evil US soldiers to come back and torture them some more?....
Seems that since the evil Americans left.. the cable TV has been cut off-along with the air conditioning in the cells.... The menu has gone from tasty chicken to squalid rice and water... And the Iraqis who took over the prison (on the model of the Jack "Cut and Run" Murtha plan) presently seem to be doling out some REAL torture... By like administering pain, even... Instead of those "torturous" picture poses...
Think any of THESE details might make it past a CJR editor?....
Think again.....
Posted by padikiller on Sun 10 Sep 2006 at 05:59 PM
To the previous commenter: torture is defined as physical and emotional duress inflicted on prisoners in order to punish and/or extract information. That definition fits with the Geneva Conventions and the United States Supreme Court in Hamdan v Rumsfeld.
I would not use the word "gulag," but the President himself, in his speech of Wednesday September 6, 2006, indicated that Abu Zubayda was held in a CIA prison in another country. According to a very detailed follow-on story in the NY Times or the Post, Abu Zubayda (not Zubayda, because "Abu Zubayda" means "father of Zubayda") was held in Thailand, and was near death from deliberate withholding of medical treatment, something forbidden in the Geneva Conventions.
The exteme implication is that after all the denials that prevented debate about whether the people of the US wanted to torture people, the president is telling us that yes, we did torture people and we did get good information. Others call it "some" information, much of it crazy and made up, with some bits about Khalid Sheik Muhammed (KSM) that did lead to his capture.
Ten years ago in this country, torture was something used by oppressors against people we call saints or resistance heroes or the son of God. In other words, it was ancient history, the unknown and forgotten past.
Now our President is a self-admitted advocate of the usefulness of torture. Do we see what we have become as a nation? Are we not implicated along with President Bush in the commission of war crimes? "But we didn't know." Now we do.
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Posted by webmaster on Mon 11 Sep 2006 at 05:15 AM
Bush Derangement Syndrome, Illustrated --
The "webmaster" wrote -- "but the President himself, in his speech of Wednesday September 6, 2006, indicated that Abu Zubayda was held in a CIA prison in another country.
padikiller -- Presdient Bush said NOTHING of the kind...
Check the transcript...
He said that Zubayda was interrogated somewhere other than Guantanamo...
Why don't you stick to the facts?...
The "webmaster" continues -- According to a very detailed follow-on story in the NY Times or the Post, Abu Zubayda (not Zubayda, because "Abu Zubayda" means "father of Zubayda") was held in Thailand, and was near death from deliberate withholding of medical treatment, something forbidden in the Geneva Conventions.
padikiller -- FIRST of all... Thailand sure is HELL of long way from those invisible East European "torture gulags" that earned Dana Priest a Pulitzer (who knew they gave Pulitzers for fiction?....)
Secondly... Zubdaya was NOT a POW and was NOT, until President Bush decided differently the other day, entitled to a SINGLE protection under any of the Articles of the Geneva Convention. PERIOD...
Finally, the Geneva Convention requires only BASIC medical care... Enough to keep a POW alive.... Zubdaya's continuing, and regretable, respiration refutes your silly claim, ab initio
The "webmaster" continues -- The exteme implication is that after all the denials that prevented debate about whether the people of the US wanted to torture people, the president is telling us that yes, we did torture people and we did get good information.
padikiller -- The President did EXACTLY the opposite!...
The President expressly DENIED that Zubdaya was tortured!...
JEESH, you people can't seem to get anything right!
Posted by padikiller on Mon 11 Sep 2006 at 01:19 PM